South Knoll Gunman - Supporting Evidence

Tosh Plumlee


William Robert "Tosh" Plumlee

POSTED ON FACE BOOK NOVEMBER 11, 2014… for the record, before the fact.

I wanted this posted before I speak at the Dallas conference. This affidavit is long, but contains detailed information concerning the JFK assassination for those who would like to take the time to wade through it.

I am posting it again-- bumping it forward- at the request of my Facebook Friends, Kyle and Paul.

This information was first presented as an affidavit, along with a hand drawn map of Delay Plaza and the locations of alleged shooters, to the FBI in 1964 (SAC Scott Warner and director FBI J Edgar Hoover, in April 1964). This was before the Warren Commission was convened. The information contained in the 64 affidavit and the drawn map was also given, some years later 1975, to Senator Frank Church investigators and later to the HSCA, 1978

Here is the original posting on FB and the backstory and background in reference to that affidavit:

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"… The following Information was first given to FBI Agent Scot Warner Denver FBI, April 1964. ( I mention the shot came from front left and drew a map for the FBI to that effect) Some years later I recapped the information to investigators for Senator Frank Church, 1975 and later,1978, to the PHX FBI and Congressman Tom Downing before the HSCA was formed---to their investigators.

A second map was drawn for these investigators. ref; FBI 62-2116 file Phoenix AZ. I also released this information in recap form to Dick Clark Productions.

In 2004 I talked to Dick Clark Productions and released the following that was on 'review' file with the Senate of the United States, 1990 and Senator Gary Hart. The information was classified as "Not Creditable, by the DoJ FBI Washington DC.

Here for your review are those statements and a copy of the Senate Affidavit..

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"… The following statements contained within this paper, are my personal story. Anything in previous publications is subject to question and is or has not been, reviewed, approved, or authorized, by me. My purpose in producing this unadulterated information and statement is to clarify previous errors of fact, which have been attributed to me. Therefore, this statement supersedes all previous versions of what others have claimed, speculated, or produced in media and print form, as being my true testimony and story.

Any reproduction of this article, in whole or in part, without written permission from the author is prohibited, and will be considered as a copyright violation and subject to the penalties provided by law.

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I hereby under oath, declare the following to be true and correct to the best of my knowledge.

Dated this XXXXXXXXXXXX Sensitive, classified Top Secret Committee Sensitive, 1990, August 02:

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"… My name is William Robert Plumlee, also known as 'Tosh" I am a retired commercial pilot and have worked for and with the United States Government for many years. My background follows:

I was enlisted and assigned to military specialized operations at Fort Bliss, Texas in April of 1954.(RA18389060; Recon Training Command, RTC-D8) I was associated with various Military Intelligence units of the Fourth Army based at Fort Bliss, Texas, and also the Fourth Army Reserve, located at Dallas Love Field, Dallas Texas. This service period was in the early to mid fifties and into the early sixties.

Approximately 1962 through 1963, I was assigned to Task Force W Section- C-7 tab B and D during the Cuban Project which operated at the time from the JM/WAVE station attached to Miami, Florida's 'Cuba Desk' of the Central Intelligence Agency (CIA). I operated as a contract "Undercover pilot" and also, at times, I was assigned to specialized Cuban operations of the CIA's "Covert Action Group" (CAG) I was engaged in many secret operations through out the early sixties.

Some years later, after brief retirement, known as 'The Farm'. I reactivated myself and became attached as an undercover operative and contract pilot for the federal government during President Reagan's "Drug War". I was attached to a secret team known as 'America-Mexico Special Operations Group' ("AMSOG"), HQ'ed Panama Southern Command. I was also a pilot and associated with the Contra Resupply Network.

I have testified four times in close door session, to various Senate and congressional investigative committees (Director FBI 1964; J Hoover; Senator Church, 1976-75; closed-door testimony, classified TS; to Congressmen Tom Downing's investigators, before the HSCA was formed; to Senator John Kerry's Committee of 1988-91 also classified " "TS Committee Sensitive" and the "Tri-State Drug Task Force", (Arizona, Colorado, New Mexico) chaired by Arizona Governor, Bruce Babbit. The cover operation contact cut out was the Phoenix Organized Crime Div. Phoenix AZ,1975-86. I worked with Senator Gary Hart and his security adviser Bill Holden, on previous intelligence matters with the NSC and the drug war with Colombia and Costa Rica. I worked UC operations with KiKi Camarena and his pilot, before they were murdered and I was a Military/DEA contract pilot, attached to Panama and Colombia, Costa Rica Investigative Task Force on Narcotics.

I have a secret classified file as defined within the National Security statutes under the name of William Robert (Tosh) Plumlee aka William H "Buck" Pearson code named "Zapata", Miami Cuba Desk, 1960-63 MI/CIA OMC-TFW7; Section C (locate Tab B & D) classified information; portions declassified Aug 1998. Associated with Operation 40 connected to the NSC and the "White House Situations Rooms briefings. I was a contract operative for the CIA, associated with Tracy Barns, Wild Bill Harvey, Frank Bender, John Martino and many others.

I have limited this paper to one particular mission that I was assigned to on November 20, 1963. I was a covert 'contract' military Intel pilot on civilian status for this secret operation. I have titled this work as: "The Flight To Dallas; A Pilots Memoirs". I have certified this copy as a declaration and personal testimony; a true account of my activities between November 20 through November 22, 1963

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Part 2: Flight to Dallas - November 20-22, 1963

Beginning November 20, 1963, I was assigned to be a co-pilot on a top secret flight, which was attached to a Military Intelligence unit and supported by the CIA. Our mission, we were told, was to 'Abort' a pending attempt on the President's life which was to take place in Dallas. We were contracted as "cut-outs" a system used to shield a secret operation from public exposure. Our team was based out of South Florida. My pilot for this operation was Emanuel Rojas. We had flown together before. I was the co-pilot for this operation. The first leg of the flight would be from Lantana, Florida ( about five miles south of West Palm Beach) to Tampa Florida. The aircraft used for the first phase of this trip was a D-18 Twin Beach aircraft. We took-off before day break on November 21, 1963 expecting to arrive in Tampa about sunup. We were to pick up other personal at Tampa. One of these people was John Roselli, whom I knew.

I had known John Roselli before this flight. I had flown Roselli and others to places like Cuba, Bimini, Galveston Texas, Las Vegas and California. He was also known to me as"Colonel Rawlston" or just "the Colonel". We (Rojas and I) were to pick up 'the Colonel' at Tampa's Congress Inn that morning. We changed aircraft at Tampa to a waiting DC-3 that was registered to 'Atlantic Richfield', and continued our trip to New Orleans, where a couple of people, who I did not know, got off and a few others got on. The Colonel stayed on board the DC-3. We continued our trip leaving New Orleans and continuing to Houston International Airport where we spent the night at the Shamrock Hilton, not far from the airport. We parked the aircraft on the Trans Texas side of the airport not far from the Texas Air National Guard and their AT6 type aircraft.

The next morning, November 22,1963, about 4:30-5 a.m., our weather briefing was not favorable for a VFR flight into Dallas's Red Bird airport. We selected Garland as an alternate in case the weather had not improved by the time we arrived near Dallas air space. We did not file a flight plan nor intended to file IFR. This would have left a record of our flight with air traffic control. We continued to Garland,in northeast Dallas instead of Redbird Airport in Oak Cliff, a suburb of Dallas. We made this decision because of possible bad weather southwest of Dallas that had not cleared as yet.

We arrived in Garland near daybreak. There had been so many threats against the President's life that we didn't have a great sense of urgency about this particular one. While waiting out the bad weather in Garland, and about thirty minutes after landing three of the passengers were picked up by car, including Roselli. (There are three documented corroborations of my presence at Garland airport that morning). After the weather had cleared sufficiently for the plane to continue via VFR flight rules to Redbird Airport in Dallas, we left Garland for the ten minute flight to Red Bird. We landed at Redbird around 9:30 or 10:30 a.m., perhaps as late as 11 a.m. where everybody got off and went their own way.

It was my impression at that time that I was flying an abort team into Dallas, comprised of John Roselli, a couple of Cubans and some people that I surmised were connected with organized crime in New Orleans. The CIA's specific information about the assassination, which their field personnel had obtained from Texas informants and international sources, was past to Military Intel units attached to the Pentagon. Some of this information, I had been told, came from the interrogations of Two Cubans who had plotted to fire on Air Force One with a bazooka on November 17 in West Palm Beach, Florida.

The pre-mission briefing was held at Loxahatchee, Florida on the evening of November 20th, but since I was not "field operational" at that time, except as a ‘contract pilot', I was not directly addressed at the briefing, other than routing and weather reports pertaining to flying the team into position. There would be no formal flight plans filed and the routing would be conducted under VFR (Visual Flight Rules) I only began to learn the full scope of the operation from my pilot Rojas and a field operative friend of mine named Sergio. Most of the details of this operation were told to me only after we had become airborne. I would learn more operational details upon reaching Redbird Airport.

I learned that it had been discussed by the abort team where to go, how to abort, and what to look for. I had not at first paid much attention to any of these details as bits and pieces unfolded. I was told that the abort team, for whom I was only the pilot at that time, would probably be looking for a minimum of 19 or 20 people that would be in the Plaza. Most of the team members felt that this was another false alarm, there had been many during the past few weeks. The detailed instructions to the team had come from Robert Bennett and Rex Beardsley, as well as another case office whose name I can not recall.

Although my specific assigned function was only a pilot. Upon arriving at Redbird Airport, Sergio asked me if I wanted to come along and see the President. I could also act as a spotter for him and his team, which, he said, were assigned to the south side of the plaza. I was told other members of the team would be patrolling the north side and the overpass. I understood we would be looking for a type of triangulation ambush. I gladly accepted Sergio's offer. It seemed like an adventure I didn't want to miss. We were driven from Red Bird Airport to a place not far from the Oak Cliff Country Club, then driven to Dealey Plaza, where we (Sergio and I) checked various areas and attempted to spot potential members of an attack team from the position on the South Knoll. The original information the team had received from sources in Texas and the CIA was an attempt was going to be made outside the Adolphus Hotel, but for reasons unknown to them, I was told ,the routing of the motorcade had been changed at the last minute to Dealey Plaza.

While on the south knoll, Sergio and I were attempting to evaluate the most logical places where shooters might be located, but everything was confused, the timing was off, team members were late getting into position. They were not where they were supposed to be and the limited radio contacts that we had with them were not working, or spotty at best. It was soon after our arrival that the motorcade arrived. When the shots rang out, I had the impression of 4 or 5 shots, with one being fired from behind and to my left on the South Knoll, near the underpass and south parking lot. While leaving via the south side of the underpass near the train tracks, Sergio and I smelled gunpowder. I never saw Roselli in Dealey Plaza that day.

We were picked up on the back side of the underpass, southwest side, by a person who had previously been at the Country Club. After driving away, and on the way back to Red Bird we stopped in the parking lot of Ed McLemore's Sportatorium, where Sergio changed out of the clothes he had muddied when he fell down the slippery west side of the railroad tracks. We stopped by the place in Oak Cliff, then returned to Redbird Airport. We waited for a few of the operatives who had been on our flight into Dallas to return. We waited as long as we could before departing without Roselli and some of the others. At approximately 2 o'clock in the afternoon, we took off from Red Bird without filing a flight plan. Our original flight out of Dallas called for us to fly to Shepard Air Force Base in Wichita Falls, Texas. But because of the assassination that routing was changed at the last minute by Rojas. We would head for Houston and back to south Florida.

On the plane, besides myself, were Rojas, Sergio, a person who I knew as Gator from the Loxahatchee camp, and two other individuals that I didn't know. Gator had identifying characteristics of an unusually large Adam's Apple and a missing finger, which had supposedly been bitten off at an alligator farm.

The people on the flight out of Dallas were very quiet. I interpreted their silence as dejection at the mission's failure to abort the assassination of the President. I believed that if these men had been the shooters or assassins themselves, they would have been very excited because they had carried it off. That's why to this day I take issue with the idea, which I have been asked to speculate on many times, that the attack on the President was in behalf of the CIA, Mafia, or Military Intelligence, and I had unknowingly flown an attack team in which had assassinated the President.

Part 3 - Conclusion

When I later learned that Oswald had been arrested as the lone assassin, I remembered having met him on a number of previous occasions which were connected with intelligence training matters, first at Illusionary Warfare Training in Nagshead, North Carolina, then in Honolulu at a radar installation and at Oahu's Wheeler Air Force Base, then in Dallas at an Oak Cliff safe house on North Beckley Street run by Alpha 66's Hernandez group, who had worked out of Miami prior to the assassination.

The post-mission debriefing was held on November 25th, my birthday, in West Palm Beach by Rex Beardsley, Bob Bennett and, I believe, Tracy Barnes. There was some discomfort or unhappiness about my having been present in the Plaza without authorization. Sergio was reprimanded for taking me along as a 'spotter'. The report was transmitted to field headquarters Miami to JM/WAVE Headquarters, and the CIA’s Miami Cuban Desk.

I regret that prior to the production of this narrative, the context and substance of my story has been changed and/or misstated by others to suit their own purposes. When I have spoken on tape, I have been asked to speculate on certain facts which were inaccurately produced as my own factual assertions. One of the most significant problems has been that my story has been tailored and changed to support the claims of others, about whom I knew nothing.

I certify this declaration to be true and correct to the best of my knowledge.

Reposted and recapped again this date below

Dated this 21st day of November, 2004

William Robert "Tosh" Plumlee, aka William H."Buck" Pearson.

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Notes Regarding References:

Certified military Records can be found on William R. Plumlee at the Texas Adjutant General, State of Texas, Headquarters,Texas National Guard; also at the archived files of the Fourth Army Reserve and Fifth Army, located at Camp Mabry, Austin Texas.

The following is a brief summary of these records:

Enlistment Record of William Robert Plumlee:

Texas National Guard 49th, Armored Division; United States Army, Fourth Army HDQ, Fort Bliss Texas; Fourth Army Reserve, Dallas Love Field, Dallas, Texas.

Recap of documents found at the Texas Adjutant General, Camp Mabry, Austin Texas:

William Robert Plumlee S/N RA- 18389060; 9th of Feb 1955; grade CPL; Auth for grade 25-1; enlisted under authority of (NGR25-1) For service in NGS Texas; Company C 156Tk Bn. Fourth Army Reserve; DoB 11 25 37; Civil Trade or Occupation: Aircraft Mechanic, Southwest Airmotive, Dallas Love Field, Dallas, Texas.

Enlistment Records:

22Oct52 thu 8th Feb53 NG Enl s/n25926077 Pvt disc. HonMin; Disc. 8Feb53; re enl. US Army

28th Sept53 thu 2Mar54USAR 4th Army; 18389060 Grade at disc.USAR, CPL.

3Mar54 thu 2Jul USA s/n18389060 rank CPL; United States Army (USA) Ft Bliss Texas assn. temp dty (unknown). special operations xxxx (classified)

6Jul54-No Record of Disc. tnsf. Texas 4th Army Res, Dallas Love Field, Dallas Texas. Co C156Tk Bn.CO Capt. assn 'Specialized operations, Intel: Commanding officers; Capt. Gilbert B Cook; Texas National Guard: 2ndLt. Charles R Brannon, Arty; Ft. Bliss, Texas, (RTC); Capt. Edward G Seiwell, Fourth Army Reserves, Dallas, Texas; MOS: WR Plumlee 1795, 3795 Tank Crew man Tk Commander, Sherman Tank. Cpl. Plumlee USA MOS 'Unknown'; Unknown sta. Ft. Bliss, Texas; Fort Hood,Texas, National Guard; Unknown.

Office of Origin (OO) Records at Office of Adjutant General State of Texas Camp Mabry, Texas.

Texas National Guard; Texas Fourth Army Reserve; Certified Copy of Available Documents By; XXX referenced doc loc. "on file".

Medical reports: Personnel Records Center, St Louis, MO. Most all records except medical records were destroyed in St Louis fire.

J.Edgar Hoover, reprimanded for obstructed Justice in withholding important files from investigative committees:

There are two different sets of FBI files on William Robert Plumlee. One set was released to the HSCA; 1978, while the other (Plumlee/Rosellie; 62-2116 file) was not declassified until 1997. A careful review of these pages will show how J Hoover withheld information contained within FBI files from the HSCA as well as other investigative committees:

NOTE: THE FOLLOWING REFERENCED FBI FILES HAVE BEEN REMOVED. (DECEMBER 1, 2004) AFTER I WAS ADVISED THAT WITHIN THOSE RELEASED FOIA FBI PAGES CONTAINED MATTERS WHICH ARE STILL CLASSIFIED "TOP SECRET COMMITTEE SENSITIVE", AS RECLASSIFIED ON AUGUST 12, 1991. I WAS NOT AWARE OF THIS AT THE TIME SOME OF THESE PAGES WERE POSTED.

I WILL REVIEW THESE PAGES AND REPOST THE REFERENCES THAT ARE CONSIDERED NOT TO "COMPROMISE" PROCEDURES AND METHODS

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This photograph shows how small an area the South Knoll is. It was taken at a point a few yards east of the Triple Underpass. The tree to the far right is the one seen in an earlier image used to demonstrate the amount of foliage blocking the modern day view of Elm Street. To its left is the forked tree directly in front of which Tosh and Sergio were standing in the above quoted affidavit. Tosh has confirmed this on Facebook many times and told me personally when I met him in Dallas shortly after the Facebook posting above. His description of a shot "behind and to my left" is witness testimony of a shot from the area both mine and Sherry Fiester's research suggests as the location of the gunman.


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The previous photograph was taken from in front of the tree in the centre of this image. The area hidden by tree foliage to the left encompasses the whole area seen in the previous image, demonstrating how small it is and how close to the gunman Tosh must have been if my calculations are accurate.


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This photograph was taken on November 22nd 2015 at exactly 12:30 pm. I took it to attempt to demonstrate the strength of the sun directly above Reunion Tower but unfortunately the camera compensated. However I also asked several people on the sidewalk alongside me if they could help with my experiment - without giving the game away. Every one of them had to shield their eyes instinctively before they could look in that general direction. Without doing so one is essentially blind to the whole area...it is a classic sniper tactic.

Tosh speaks on the South Knoll

Using the photographs above you can see both where Tosh was, where he smelled gun smoke and most importantly just how small an area the parking lot is. Where he stands and points out the light poles is approximately where the east end of the parking lot is, and you see how few steps it takes to traverse it full length. Note also his conversation with the guy behind the pick up truck. Without thinking it through, some have him as a shooting suspect. The principal reason I don't is because the pickup was in traffic stalled by the motorcade, so there's no way he could "plan" to be there.

The Cancellare Photograph


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The following are four versions of a photograph taken by UPI photographer Frank Cancellare. He was in camera car two and as it rounded the corner from Houston onto Elm Street he jumped out and took this, as well as several other images.

The montage is of versions of the photograph which demonstrate clearly the brightness of the noonday sun above the South Knoll. The version in the bottom right hand corner of the montage has not, like the others, been cropped, and shows the full image which includes the edge of the Stemmons Freeway sign.

The cropped and lower contrast full page width image shows more detail on the South Knoll and also gives that area a false impression of length which in reality it does not have. 


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The red circle on this cropped version of the Cancellare photograph is where Tosh and Sergio were standing according to Tosh's various talks, statements and filmed interviews. Unfortunately no version of the photograph that I have yet found has sufficient definition to make out their presence within that area. There are two or three very good images which are suggestive of figures but treading down that path leads us to "Badgeman" territory. It is a path I have no desire to follow.


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In much the same vein as the previous cropped area of the Cancellare image there may - or may not - be a figure to the right of the tree at the very centre of the red circle. That it just happens to be the tree that my calculations indicate is a likely candidate for the origin of both throat and head shots, and qualifies as "behind and to my left" in Tosh's description, is of course entirely coincidental. Without a much higher definition version of the photograph the "figure" is a collection of tantalising pixels.

Medical Evidence


Dr Malcolm Perry was one of the Doctors who rushed to Trauma Room One at Parkland Memorial Hospital to attend to the moribund President.  What follow are two distinctly different interviews of Dr. Perry, the first a Press Conference held not long after the President was declared dead. Unsurprisingly this Press Conference, broadcast on live television, has not been available for some considerable time. Fortunately the transcript survives.


 

PRESS CONFERENCE
PARKLAND MEMORIAL HOSPITAL
DALLAS, TEXAS
NOVEMBER 22, 1963
2:16 P.M. CST
MR. HAWKS-
Let me have your attention, please. You wanted to talk to some of the attending physicians. I have two of them here, Dr. Malcolm Perry, an attending surgeon here at Parkland Memorial Hospital. He will talk to you first, and then Dr. Kemp Clark, the chief neurosurgeon here at the hospital. He will tell you what he knows about it. Dr. Perry.
QUESTION-
Were you in attendance when the President died?
QUESTION-
Let him tell his story.
DR. MALCOM PERRY-
I was summoned to the Emergency Room shortly after the President was brought in, on an emergency basis, immediately after the President’s arrival. Upon reaching his side, I noted that he was in critical condition from a wound of the neck and of the head. Immediate resuscitative measures—
QUESTION-
Would you go slower?
DR. MALCOM PERRY-
I noted he was in critical condition from the wound in the neck and the head.
QUESTION-
Could that be done by one shot?
DR. MALCOM PERRY-
I cannot conjecture. I don’t know.
QUESTION-
A wound of the neck and of the—
DR. MALCOM PERRY-
—of the head. Immediate resuscitative measures were undertaken, and Dr. Kemp Clark, Professor of Neurosurgery, was summoned, along with several other members of the surgical and medical staff. They arrived immediately, but at this point the President’s condition did not allow complete resuscitation.
QUESTION-
What do you mean by "complete resuscitation"?
DR. MALCOM PERRY-
He was critically ill and moribund at the time these measures were begun.
QUESTION-
Completely ill and what?
DR. MALCOM PERRY-
Moribund.
QUESTION-
What does that mean?
DR. MALCOM PERRY-
Near death.
QUESTION-
What was the word you used?
DR. MALCOM PERRY-
Moribund. Dr. Clark arrived thereafter, immediately.
QUESTION-
Could you tell us what resuscitative measures were attempted?
DR. MALCOM PERRY-
Assisted respiration.
QUESTION-
What is that?
QUESTION-
With what?
DR. MALCOM PERRY-
Assisted respiration with oxygen and an anesthesia machine, passage of an endotracheal tube.
QUESTION-
Does that mean you stick it in?
DR. MALCOM PERRY-
Yes, place it in the trachea.
QUESTION-
Spell it for us, please.
DR. MALCOM PERRY-
E-n-d-o-t-r-a-c-h-e-a-l. A tracheostomy.
QUESTION-
Did they perform a tracheostomy?
DR. MALCOM PERRY-
Yes.
QUESTION-
Would you spell it?
DR. MALCOM PERRY-
T-r-a-c-h-e-o-s-t-o-m-y.
QUESTION-
Was there a priest in the room at this time, Doctor?
MR. HAWKS-
The doctor is just telling you about the operation.
DR. MALCOM PERRY-
Blood and fluids were also given, and an electrocardiograph monitor was attached to record any heart beat that might be present. At this point, Dr. Clark was also in attendance.
QUESTION-
What is his name?
DR. MALCOM PERRY-
Dr. Kemp Clark. And Dr. Charles Baxter.
DR. KEMP CLARK-
I was called by Dr. Perry because the President—
QUESTION-
You are Dr. Clark?
DR. KEMP CLARK-
I am Dr. Clark. —because the President had sustained a brain wound. On my arrival, the resuscitative efforts, the tracheostomy, the administration of chest tubes to relieve any possible—
QUESTION-
Could you slow down a little bit, Doctor, please?
DR. KEMP CLARK-
—to relieve any possibility of air being in the pleural space, the electrocardiogram had been hooked up, blood and fluids were being administered by Dr. Perry and Dr. Baxter. It was apparent that the President had sustained a lethal wound.

A missile had gone in or out of the back of his head, causing extensive lacerations and loss of brain tissue. Shortly after I arrived, the patient, the President, lost his heart action by the electrocardiogram, his heart action had stopped.

We attempted resuscitative measures of his heart, including closed chest cardiac massage, but to no avail.

QUESTION-
Was that closed chest?
DR. KEMP CLARK-
Yes.
QUESTION-
Does that mean external, Doctor, closed?
DR. KEMP CLARK-
Yes. We were able to obtain palpable pulses by this method, but, again, to no avail.
QUESTION-
What is palpable?
MR. HAWKS-
What did you ask?
QUESTION-
Palpable?
DR. KEMP CLARK-
Palpable.
QUESTION-
Palpable what?
DR. KEMP CLARK-
Pulses.
QUESTION-
Doctor, how many doctors were in attendance at the time of the President’s death?
QUESTION-
Doctor, can you tell us how long after he arrived on the Emergency table before he expired? In other words, how long was he living while in the hospital?
DR. KEMP CLARK-
40 minutes, perhaps.
DR. MALCOM PERRY-
I was far too busy to tell. I didn’t even look at my watch.
DR. KEMP CLARK-
I would guess about 40 minutes.
QUESTION-
Doctor, can you describe the course of the wound through the head?
DR. KEMP CLARK-
We were too busy to be absolutely sure of the track, but the back of his head.
QUESTION-
And through the neck?
DR. KEMP CLARK-
Principally on his right side, towards the right side.
QUESTION-
What was the exact time of death, doctor?
DR. KEMP CLARK-
That is very difficult to say. We were very busy, and in answer to someone else’s question, we had a lot of people in attendance. We elected to make this at 1300.
QUESTION-
You elected?
QUESTION-
What, sir?
DR. KEMP CLARK-
We pronounced him at 1300 hours.
QUESTION-
Thirteen of?
MR. HAWKS-
1:00 o’clock.
QUESTION-
Can you describe his neck wound?
DR. KEMP CLARK-
I was busy with his head wound. I would like to ask the people took care of that part to describe that to you.
QUESTION-
What was the question?
DR. MALCOM PERRY-
The neck wound, as visible on the patient, revealed a bullet hole almost in the mid line.
QUESTION-
What was that?
DR. MALCOM PERRY-
A bullet hole almost in the mid line.
QUESTION-
Would you demonstrate?
DR. MALCOM PERRY-
In the lower portion of the neck, in front.
QUESTION-
Can you demonstrate, Doctor, on your own neck?
DR. MALCOM PERRY-
Approximately here (indicating).
QUESTION-
Below the Adam’s apple?
DR. MALCOM PERRY-
Below the Adam’s apple.
QUESTION-
Doctor, is it the assumption that it went through the head?
DR. MALCOM PERRY-
That would be on conjecture on my part. There are two wounds, as Dr. Clark noted, one of the neck and one of the head. Whether they are directly related or related to two bullets, I cannot say.
QUESTION-
Where was the entrance wound?
DR. MALCOM PERRY-
There was an entrance wound in the neck. As regards the one on the head, I cannot say.
QUESTION-
Which way was the bullet coming on the neck wound? At him?
DR. MALCOM PERRY-
It appeared to be coming at him.
QUESTION-
And the one behind?
DR. MALCOM PERRY-
The nature of the wound defies the ability to describe whether it went through it from either side. I cannot tell you that. Can you, Dr. Clark?
DR. KEMP CLARK-
The head wound could have been either the exit wound from the neck or it could have been a tangential wound, as it was simply a large, gaping loss of tissue.
QUESTION-
That was the immediate cause of death — the head wound?
DR. KEMP CLARK-
I assume so, yes.
QUESTION-
There is a rumor that Lyndon Johnson had a heart attack, and I would like to check that out.
DR. KEMP CLARK-
I have no information.
MR. HAWKS-
I don’t believe these gentlemen were in attendance with the Vice President.
QUESTION-
Where was he when this was going on?
MR. HAWKS-
That is not a question you should put to this doctor.
QUESTION-
Can you tell us where he is?
MR. HAWKS-
I can’t now, but Mr. Kilduff will be available later and we will take those details then.
QUESTION-
We can’t hear you.
MR. HAWKS-
They were asking where the Vice President was, but I don’t know at the moment. That is not the proper question to put to these gentlemen. They were busy with the President at the time.
QUESTION-
Where was Mrs. Kennedy?
MR. HAWKS-
I don’t know that detail either. As you might suspect, we were all busy around here.
QUESTION-
Can’t we clear this up just a little more? In your estimation, was there one or two wounds? Just give us something.
DR. MALCOM PERRY-
I don’t know. From the injury, it is conceivable that it could have been caused by one wound, but there could have been two just as well if the second bullet struck the head in addition to striking the neck, and I cannot tell you that due to the nature of the wound. There is no way for me to tell.
QUESTION-
Doctor, describe the entrance wound. You think from the front in the throat?
DR. MALCOM PERRY-
The wound appeared to be an entrance wound in the front of the throat; yes, that is correct. The exit wound, I don’t know. It could have been the head or there could have been a second wound of the head. There was not time to determine this at the particular instant.
QUESTION-
Would the bullet have to travel up from the neck wound to exit through the back?
DR. MALCOM PERRY-
Unless it was deviated from its course by striking bone or some other object.
QUESTION-
Doctor, can you give us your ages, please?
DR. MALCOM PERRY-
I am 34.
QUESTION-
You are Doctor who?
DR. MALCOM PERRY-
Perry.
MR. HAWKS-
This is Dr. Malcom Perry, attending surgeon, and this is Dr. Kemp Clark, chief of neurosurgery at this hospital.
QUESTION-
How old are you, sir?
DR. KEMP CLARK-
38.
QUESTION-
Is that C-l-a-r-k?
DR. KEMP CLARK-
Yes.
QUESTION-
Can you tell us whether the autopsy will be performed here or elsewhere?
DR. MALCOM PERRY-
I do not have that information.
MR. HAWKS-
I don’t know either.
QUESTION-
Will there be one?
MR. HAWKS-
I don’t know that.
QUESTION-
Where is the President’s body?
MR. HAWKS-
I couldn’t tell you.
QUESTION-
Was the President ever conscious after the bullet struck him?
DR. MALCOM PERRY-
No, not while I was in attendance.
QUESTION-
How much blood was used?
DR. MALCOM PERRY-
I don’t know. There was considerable bleeding.
QUESTION-
How soon did you see him after he got in?
QUESTION-
Did you have to send for blood?
DR. MALCOM PERRY-
Blood was sent for and obtained; yes.
QUESTION-
Where?
DR. MALCOM PERRY-
From our Blood Bank.
QUESTION-
Here in the hospital?
DR. MALCOM PERRY-
Here in the hospital.
QUESTION-
How much was used?
DR. MALCOM PERRY-
I don’t know.
QUESTION-
Doctor, were the last rites performed in the Emergency Room?
DR. MALCOM PERRY-
Yes.
QUESTION-
Yes, they were?
MR. HAWKS-
Yes, they said they were. Kilduff told you, too.
QUESTION-
Which room was this? What is the room like?
DR. MALCOM PERRY-
Emergency Operating Room No. 1.
QUESTION-
How far from the door is that, and which way?
DR. KEMP CLARK-
Straight in from the Emergency Room entrance, at the back of the hospital, approximately 40 feet.
QUESTION-
Approximately what?
MR. HAWKS-
Forty feet from the emergency entrance.
QUESTION-
The first floor?
DR. KEMP CLARK-
The ground floor.
QUESTION-
How many doctors and nurses were in attendance at the time of death?
DR. MALCOM PERRY-
There were at least eight or ten physicians at that time.
QUESTION-
At least eight or ten physicians?
DR. MALCOM PERRY-
Yes.
QUESTION-
Did you think him mortally wounded at the time you first examined him, or did you think there was no possibility of saving his life at that point?
DR. MALCOM PERRY-
No, I did not.
DR. KEMP CLARK-
No, sir.
QUESTION-
Did you say there were eight or ten doctors or doctors and nurses?
DR. KEMP CLARK-
Eight or ten doctors.
QUESTION-
Can we get that straight, Doctor? Did you say you did not think there was any possibility of saving his life when you first looked at him?
DR KEMP CLARK-
That is what I said; yes.
QUESTION-
How long had he been in before you saw him, sir?
DR. KEMP CLARK-
This I don’t know because I was not looking at my watch.
QUESTION-
Who was the first doctor who saw him, and how long before he got there?
DR. KEMP CLARK-
Just a matter of a few seconds.
DR. MALCOM PERRY-
I arrived there shortly after his admission. I can’t tell you the exact time because I went immediately and he had just been admitted and I walked in the room. I don’t know the exact time. I was in quite a hurry.
QUESTION-
Were there any members of the family or others in the room besides the doctors, in the Emergency Room?
DR. MALCOM PERRY-
I am afraid I was not aware of that. I was quite too busy to notice.
MR. HAWKS-
We will have to get those details from Mac.
QUESTION-
Do you have any new details about our plans, what you are going to do?
MR. HAWKS-
I can’t until I get a reading from you fellows. For instance, you have a new President.
QUESTION-
Do we? Was he sworn in?
MR. HAWKS-
Well, he went somewhere to get sworn in. I assume he is sworn in at this time, but I wasn’t in attendance. Obviously, you are going to have a new President. Let’s put it that way.
QUESTION-
Where is he going to be?
MR. HAWKS-
That is what I am trying to find out. Mac is with him, trying to get the details, and he will call me or come in here. We will try to find out.
DR. PERRY-
Can we go now?
THE PRESS-
Thank you, Doctors.
MR. HAWKS-
Your plans, what do you want to do?
QUESTION-
First, is there any more about Mrs. Kennedy?
MR. HAWKS-
Let’s do some "supposing" because we need some planning for your press plane.
QUESTION-
How about Mrs. Kennedy? Has she gone back to Washington, or is she going?
MR. HAWKS-
That is what Mac is trying to find out now. This takes a lot of doing.
QUESTION-
Can we stay here with the new President?
MR. HAWKS-
If you want to stay here with the new President, if he stays here. I don’t know that he is going to stay here. That is why I want to "suppose" here for a minute.
QUESTION-
Let’s put it on the basis of what the new President does. If he stays, we stay; and if he goes, we go.
MR. HAWKS-
Suppose the body goes back and the new President stays? Do some of you want to stay, or go?
QUESTION-
Stay with the new President.
MR. HAWKS-
All right, that is what I wanted to find out. You know, there are buses and planes and things like that.
QUESTION-
I know I won’t be going back in any case. Can I get my luggage back here? How do we get luggage on the press plane off of there?
MR. HAWKS-
If we decide to spend the night here, we will get the luggage here. Don’t worry about it.
QUESTION-
We have luggage in the wire car, but God knows where it is.
QUESTION-
Where will the next briefing be, here or where?
MR. HAWKS-
Right here, so far as I know. This is where Mac said he could come back to.
-END-

The second interview was conducted by Warren Commission Junior Counsel Arlen Specter to elicit Dr. Perry's Warren Commission testimony. It contains the most outrageous preposition in the history of jurisprudence...


 

Mr. SPECTER - Would you now describe as particularly as possible the neck wound you observed?
Dr. PERRY - This was situated in the lower anterior one-third of the neck, approximately 5 mm. in diameter.
It was exuding blood slowly which partially obscured it. Its edges were neither ragged nor were they punched out, but rather clean.
Mr. SPECTER - Have you now described the neck wound as specifically as you can?
Dr. PERRY - I have.
Mr. SPECTER - Based on your observations of the neck wound alone, do you have a sufficient basis to form an opinion as to whether it was an entrance wound or an exit wound.
Dr. PERRY - No, sir. I was unable to determine that since I did not ascertain the exact trajectory of the missile. The operative procedure which I performed was restricted to securing an adequate airway and insuring there was no injury to the carotid artery or jugular vein at that level and at that point I made the procedure.
Mr. SPECTER - Based on the appearance of the neck wound alone, could it have been either an entrance or an exit wound?
Dr. PERRY - It could have been either.
Mr. SPECTER - Permit me to supply some additional facts, Dr. Perry, which I shall ask you to assume as being true for purposes of having you express an opinion.
Assume first of all that the President was struck by a 6.5 mm. copper-jacketed bullet fired from a gun having a muzzle velocity of approximately 2,000 feet per second, with the weapon being approximately 160 to 250 feet from the President, with the bullet striking him at an angle of declination of approximately 45 degrees, striking the President on the upper right posterior thorax just above the upper border of the scapula, being 14 cm. from the tip of the right acromion process and 14 cm. below the tip of the right mastoid process, passing through the President's body striking no bones, traversing the neck and sliding between the large muscles in the posterior portion of the President's body through a fascia channel without violating the pleural cavity but bruising the apex of the right pleural cavity, and bruising the most apical portion of the right lung inflicting a hematoma to the right side of the larynx, which you have just described, and striking the trachea causing the injury which you described, and then exiting from the hole that you have described in the midline of the neck.
Now, assuming those facts to be true, would the hole which you observed in the neck of the President be consistent with an exit wound under those circumstances?
Dr. PERRY - Certainly would be consistent with an exit wound.
Mr. SPECTER - Now, assuming one additional fact that there was no bullet found in the body of the President, and assuming the facts which I have just set forth to be true, do you have an opinion as to whether the wound which you observed in the President's neck was an entrance or an exit wound?
Dr. PERRY - A full jacketed bullet without deformation passing through skin would leave a similar wound for an exit and entrance wound and with the facts which you have made available and with these assumptions, I believe that it was an exit wound.


In case you missed it I give you Mr. Specter's oral gymnastics in all their glory.

Mr. SPECTER - Permit me to supply some additional facts, Dr. Perry, which I shall ask you to assume as being true for purposes of having you express an opinion. Assume first of all that the President was struck by a 6.5 mm. copper-jacketed bullet fired from a gun having a muzzle velocity of approximately 2,000 feet per second, with the weapon being approximately 160 to 250 feet from the President, with the bullet striking him at an angle of declination of approximately 45 degrees, striking the President on the upper right posterior thorax just above the upper border of the scapula, being 14 cm. from the tip of the right acromion process and 14 cm. below the tip of the right mastoid process, passing through the President's body striking no bones, traversing the neck and sliding between the large muscles in the posterior portion of the President's body through a fascia channel without violating the pleural cavity but bruising the apex of the right pleural cavity, and bruising the most apical portion of the right lung inflicting a hematoma to the right side of the larynx, which you have just described, and striking the trachea causing the injury which you described, and then exiting from the hole that you have described in the midline of the neck.
Now, assuming those facts to be true, would the hole which you observed in the neck of the President be consistent with an exit wound under those circumstances?

Dr. PERRY - Certainly would be consistent with an exit wound.

Mr. SPECTER - Now, assuming one additional fact that there was no bullet found in the body of the President, and assuming the facts which I have just set forth to be true, do you have an opinion as to whether the wound which you observed in the President's neck was an entrance or an exit wound?

Dr. PERRY - A full jacketed bullet without deformation passing through skin would leave a similar wound for an exit and entrance wound and with the facts which you have made available and with these assumptions, I believe that it was an exit wound.

 


There is of course one major problem with Specter's "facts". They are not true, as no less a

document than the Autopsy Report itself informs us and which report he was amongst the first to read.


 


Under "Missile Wounds" the throat wound is dealt covered by the following paragraph only

The second wound, presumably of entry, is that described above in the upper right posterior thorax. Beneath the skin there is ecchymosis of subcutaneous tissue and musculature. The missile path through the fascia and musculature cannot be easily probed, The wound presumably of exit was that described by Dr. Malcolm Perry of Dallas in the low anterior cervical region. When observed by Dr. Perry the wound measured "a few millimeters in diameter", however it was extended as a tracheostomy incision and thus its character is distorted at the time of autopsy. However, there is considerable ecchymosis of the strap muscles of the right side of the neck and of the fascia about the trachea adjacent to the line of the tracheostomy wound. The third point of reference in connecting these two wounds is in the apex (supra-clavicular portion) of the right pleural cavity, In this region there is contusion of the parietal pleura and of the extreme apical portion of the right upper lobe of the lung. In both instances the diameter of contusion and ecchymosis at the point of maximal involvement measures 5 cm. Both the visceral and parietal pleura are intact overlying these areas of trauma.

 

It is to be noted that this paragraph does not in any way describe a missile that has passed through the body of President Kennedy.

It describes;

A wound that cannot easily be probed.

A posterior wound that is "presumably" of entry.

An anterior wound that is "presumably" of exit.

A contusion of the parietal pleura and of the apical portion of the right upper lobe of the lung that is "The third point of reference connecting these two wounds"

 

It does not describe.

 

The wound "presumably of entry" being bodily traced to the wound "presumably of exit" whether "easily" or not.

How the "contusion of the parietal pleura and of the extreme apical portion of the right upper lobe of the lung"

where

"both the visceral and parietal pleura are intact overlying these areas of trauma"

becomes

"The third point of reference connecting these two wounds"

 

A Contusion is "a region of injured tissue or skin in which blood capillaries have been ruptured; a bruise".

a bruise is not a bullet path.

 

Despite this

it concludes.

 

The other missile entered the right superior posterior thorax above the scapula and traversed the soft tissues of the supra-scapular and the supra-clavicular portions of the base of the right side of the neck. This missile produced contusions of the right apical parietal pleura and of the apical portion of the right upper lobe of the lung. The missile contused the strap muscles of the right side of the neck, damaged the trachea and made its exit through the anterior surface of the neck. As far as can be ascertained this missile struck no bony structures in its path through the body.

Nowhere does the Autopsy report disclose a cause and effect basis for this conclusion.

This masterclass in obfuscation is what presumably allowed the outrageous preposition used by Arlen Specter to compel the hapless Dr. Perry to reply with the only answer it was designed to elicit.


 


The video to the right is an extract from the documentary series "The Men Who Killed Kennedy" episode "The Smoking Gun". Dr. Robert Livingston describes how he informed the autopsy's author, Dr Humes, of the neck wound, that it had been reported as a wound of entry and that it was important that it be dissected and probed. The manner in which the conversation ended is an indication of the circumstances under which the autopsy was performed and explains the obfuscatory nature of its descriptions and the inaccuracy of its conclusions. Dr. Perry was hounded by several phone calls from Bethesda during the lengthy autopsy and immediately after it. We can but speculate on the subject and nature of those calls but Dr. Livingston's testimony flatly contradicts Humes later claims that he was unaware prior to and during the autopsy that there was a possible entry wound in the President's Trachea.


 

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